Obama releases his health care plan.

Barack Obama released his health care plan today. At first blush it seems like John Edwards's plan except there's one national health market, individuals are not required to purchase insurance, and catastrophic costs are covered by the government. I'm sure there's more subtle differences but I having trouble picking them out now. It'd be great if an Obama supporter would write up his health care plan like I did a few months ago.  

I'd especially like some info on the differences between John Edwards's regional health markets and Obama's national health exchange. Does Obama give individuals the same market power as John Edwards?

Update: And it looks like it gets the big thumbs down. Man I really had hopes for this. But this timidity in the Obama campaign to actually reform the big problems of failed markets in our society is getting to be very frustrating.

Update again: Sorry for not including the full plan. It wasn't available when I first wrote this and I thought the 6 page fact sheet was sufficiently detailed that you could get the gist of the plan (I assume that was the intent of the Obama campaign as well). I didn't get much else out of the 15 page plan, but feel free to have at it and fill in the blanks.

Update again again: What do you guys think of this quote by Ezra Klein?

The Obama folks called back to further clarify their position on the Health Insurance Exchange Markets. Larger businesses could, if they chose, put their employees into the exchange market, at which point the employees would be able to pick from the menu of private and public options offered therein. There wouldn't be incentives to do this, but if a company so chose, they could sign up with the exchange market on a risk-adjusted basis (risk-adjusted because you don't just want companies with older, sicker workforces taking advantage of the system). That's significantly better than barring larger companies from using the public options, though somewhat less audacious than the Edwards' plan, which actually encourages companies to switch over to the public option. To make this discussion somewhat more explicit, Obama's plan has a public option, but is not a backdoor approach to single-payer. [emphasis mine]
Do you agree with what Ezra is saying? If so, is that a problem for you or do you like Obama's approach?



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Any numbers to go with it? (none / 0)

I understand why any candidate this far from an election wants to stay hazy about numbers, whatever the subject.

But no health plan is more than warm words which doesn't come with paperwork: not only to show due diligence on the part of the campaign, but (mostly) to allow the rest of us (in particular, healthcare experts) to check that the proposal is not pure snake oil.

Better still, there ought to be some kind of open-source model for us Great Unwashed to work the numbers. (Duelling quotes from experts who themselves are skimpy on paperwork are no help, except for propaganda.)

Without assurance on the numbers, a paper like Obama's is all Zeno's Paradox for all we know.


by skeptic06 on Tue May 29, 2007 at 01:05:13 PM EST

Re: Any numbers to go with it? (none / 0)

I've now had a chance to skim the extended paper on Obama's plan - not extended by much, from 6 to 15 pages, be it said - and one thing is striking: the fact that Obama puts a figure on the savings to be generated.

(It's a pretty flimsy sort of a figure:

The Obama plan will save a typical American family up to
$2,500 every year on medical expenditures...

Typical? Up to? Pretty weasely.)

But, unless his guys pulled the number from their collective ass, there must have been some modeling done on which it is based.

A model which will have included a shedload of assumptions that may or may not stand up to scrutiny.

Will we get our hands on the modeling? That would be a blow for openness in the electoral process!


by skeptic06 on Tue May 29, 2007 at 04:52:06 PM EST
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Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (none / 0)

We'll seeing as he just spoke today and hasn't released the details on his site yet there isn't much I can do to break it down for y'all.

Here is something sent from the campaign though.

"Here are some highlights from Barack's health care speech today.  We'll have more info on the website soon.

   * Barack Obama believes it's time to make quality affordable health care a reality for every American. For too many years, we've seen health care plans offered up with great fanfare and promise, only to be crushed under the weight of Washington politics and industry lobbying. This cannot be one of those years.

   * The health care crisis has reached a critical point. It's not just that forty-five million Americans are uninsured. It's that those who do have health insurance are struggling to pay for it because health care premiums have risen nearly 90% in the past six years, four times faster than wages.

   * Businesses aren't faring much better. Over half of all small businesses can no longer afford to insure their workers, while others have responded to rising costs by laying off workers or shutting their doors. Some of our biggest corporations are watching foreign competitors based in countries with universal health care run circles around them.  

   * The biggest obstacles to reform are the drug and insurance companies who profit most from the status quo. Recently, the single fastest growing component of health care spending has been administrative costs and profits for insurance companies, who have spent more than $1 billion on lobbying and campaign contributions over the last ten years to block the kind of reform we need.  

   * As President, Barack Obama will turn the page on yesterday's health care debates and bring together businesses, the medical community, and members of both parties around a comprehensive solution to this crisis. And he'll let the drug and insurance industries know that while they'll get a seat at the table, they don't get to buy every chair.  

   * Barack Obama will sign a universal health care plan into law by the end of his first term in office. His plan will not just guarantee coverage for every American, it will bring down the cost of health care and reduce every family's premiums by as much as $2500.

   * When Barack Obama is President, everyone will be able buy into a new health insurance plan that's similar to the one that every federal employee - from a postal worker to a Congressman - currently has for themselves. And if you cannot afford this insurance, you will receive a subsidy to pay for it. If you have children, they will be covered.  If you change jobs, your insurance will go with you.  If you need to see a doctor, you will not have to wait in long lines for one.  If you want more choices, you will also have the option of purchasing a number of affordable private plans that have similar benefits and standards for quality and efficiency.  

   * We'll also take five, long-overdue steps to bring down costs and bring our health care system into the 21st century. First, the federal government will pick up the tab for some of the most expensive illnesses and conditions, which means your premiums will go down.  Second, we'll focus our health care system on preventing costly, debilitating conditions in the first place by requiring coverage of evidence-based, preventative care services, and making sure they are paid for.

   * Third, we'll reduce the cost of our health care by improving the quality of our health care. We'll ask hospitals and providers to collect, track, and publicly report measures of health care quality so that patients can make informed choices about the care that's best for them.  

   * Fourth, we'll reduce waste and inefficiency by moving from a 20th century health care industry based on pen and paper to a 21st century industry that's paperless, reducing deadly medical errors, shortening the length of hospital stays, ensuring that nurses can spend less time on paperwork and more time with patients, and saving billions and billions of dollars in the process.  

   * Finally, we'll break the stranglehold that a few big drug and insurance companies have on the health care market. Under Barack Obama's plan, we'll make generic drugs more available to consumers and we'll tell the drug companies that their days of forcing affordable prescription drugs out of the market are over.  And we'll investigate and prosecute the monopolization of the insurance industry. "


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by Populista on Tue May 29, 2007 at 01:16:24 PM EST

Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (3.00 / 1)

Thanks for this. One question,
"When Barack Obama is President, everyone will be able buy into a new health insurance plan that's similar to the one that every federal employee - from a postal worker to a Congressman - currently has for themselves."

Technically that's true in that the government plan's benefits will be the new minimum benefit for all health insurance plans. But only certain people will actually be able to buy into a government plan right?


by adamterando on Tue May 29, 2007 at 04:25:50 PM EST
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Let Obama have his day (none / 0)

This post is a preemptive hit piece with near-zero substance.

And to see that this is sitting on the REC list is just plain shameful. Please delete the diary (myDD's delete feature will just hide it from the diary scroll(s); it won't delete the post itself or the comments), and let Obama have his day, by highlighting what they want to highlight.

Then, when you actually read the plan draft, think about it some, comeback and post an actually informative and substantive diary.


by NuevoLiberal on Tue May 29, 2007 at 04:58:10 PM EST
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Re: Let Obama have his day (none / 0)

That's not my responsibility. If you want to write-up the health care plan in detail then go ahead and do it. I did so for Edwards's plan and the point of this diary was that I was hoping an Obama supporter would do something similar to what I did so that we could get a positive distillation of his plan.

The fact that you claim that this is a preemptive hit piece I think shows the level of distrust that has grown between Edwards and Obama supporters. It's quite sad.


by adamterando on Tue May 29, 2007 at 05:05:55 PM EST
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When on earth did you give any time (3.00 / 1)

for someone to actually read the damn thing, think about it, and then post something meaningful? You DID NOT.

You came here posting your four five line "first blush" which is, as one expects is a negative spin on it.

It's trivially transparent that you posted this diary to put a preemptive spin to make Obama's plan DOA in the spin zone. Pitiful.


by NuevoLiberal on Tue May 29, 2007 at 05:20:54 PM EST
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Re: When on earth did you give any time (none / 0)

That's pretty rich, coming from you.


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by clarkent on Tue May 29, 2007 at 05:28:13 PM EST
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Why? (none / 0)

I didn't post any pre-emptive hit piece about Edwards' health plan hours before he was to release it?

The war is a different story. I have read extensively what Edwards' actions and words on the the war were before reaching my viewpoints. When I write about it, I extensively link to everything, so that readers can read and assess things for themselves.


by NuevoLiberal on Tue May 29, 2007 at 06:07:20 PM EST
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And, in fact, it is precisely the spin of (none / 0)

the kind seen in this 4 line "diary", that led me to look into Edwards' record on the war. Believe it or not. And what I found was not pretty.


by NuevoLiberal on Tue May 29, 2007 at 06:37:52 PM EST
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Re: And, in fact, it is precisely the spin of (none / 0)

amazing how when someone attacks Obama's plan, his supporters want the entire Diary removed.

Pretty sad i'd say. Why dont we get on the Bush bandwagon and limit more free speach.


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by sepulvedaj3 on Wed May 30, 2007 at 09:30:09 AM EST
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I asked in the interests of fairness to bring (none / 0)

this down for a day to let Obama get his message out. And until Adam actually reads the plan himself in detail, and everyone has a day to do the same. That, and the the "delete" feature does not destroy the diary; it simply does not display it in the scroll and so everything can still be read with the right link.


by NuevoLiberal on Wed May 30, 2007 at 10:39:18 AM EST
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Re: Let Obama have his day (none / 0)

I rec'd it because I thought it might actually provoke some discussion, rather than the pissing match that comments have devolved into. Populista is the only one who's bothered to actually highlight good points of the plan.


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by clarkent on Tue May 29, 2007 at 05:49:42 PM EST
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Re: Let Obama have his day (none / 0)

How about letting people actually read and think for sometime. Instead, the diarist posted his 4/5 line negatively spun excuse for a diary apparently without linking to the pdf draft of the plan originally (and potentially even before the pdf draft was released by the Obama campaign).


by NuevoLiberal on Tue May 29, 2007 at 06:02:11 PM EST
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Re: Let Obama have his day (none / 0)

Have you even read the diary? Clicked on all the links?


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by clarkent on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:17:15 PM EST
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See the comment below (3.00 / 1)

See the comment below:


Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (none / 0)

Here's a pdf the campaign released now

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/HealthPla nFull.pdf

I've got to go now but I'm going to print it out and study it and give my thoughts later.

by Populista on Tue May 29, 2007 at 03:02:21 PM EST


The diary time stamp: Tue May 29, 2007 at 12:32:52 PM EST

In other words, when Adam posted the diary, he probably had not seen the full draft proposal. His diary links to the "fact sheet". That's what I am talking about. i.e. Adam went to post this "diary" going by the "fact sheet" instead of waiting for the full plan draft to be released, before saying negative things about Obama's plan. No, that's not Kosher.


by NuevoLiberal on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:32:54 PM EST
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Re: See the comment below (3.00 / 1)

Explain to me how the diary distorts the Obama healthcare plan. The original diary lists a few differences with the Edwards plan, then asks for clarification from Obama supporters. The update is negative, but links to a well-respected health care blogger who clearly has some qualms about the plan.


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by clarkent on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:46:45 PM EST
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Re: See the comment below (none / 0)

I will be more than happy to.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/5/29/1950 36/398


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by ObamaEdwards2008 on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:51:41 PM EST
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Re: See the comment below (3.00 / 1)

Excellent.


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by clarkent on Tue May 29, 2007 at 07:58:10 PM EST
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Re: See the comment below (none / 0)

eg: "it seems like John Edwards's plan.."

Read the real plan with details, before making strong claims like this. Apparently he had't seen the real plan before venturing with the diary.


by NuevoLiberal on Tue May 29, 2007 at 08:04:20 PM EST
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Re: See the comment below (none / 0)

So Obama's summary didn't provide the necessary details? So Ezra Klein, the blogger to whom Adam linked, didn't get enough details?


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by clarkent on Tue May 29, 2007 at 08:08:43 PM EST
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This is how (none / 0)

a diary with substance looks like: Update to Questions about Obama's Healthcare Plan, by ademption, Tue May 29, 2007

So you know.


by NuevoLiberal on Tue May 29, 2007 at 09:01:53 PM EST
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Re: See the comment below (none / 0)

You know to you that may seem like I'm criticizing it, but that was actually a compliment. But the more I read it, the less like Edwards's plan it seems and the less I like it.

Is that where all this started? You thought that quote was a hit on Obama? I think all this is a misunderstanding.


by adamterando on Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:48:30 PM EST
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Obama is closer to Edwards (none / 0)

than Hillary is....

 although only Edwards has so far shown willingness to generate a new revenue stream for it...


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by TarHeel on Tue May 29, 2007 at 01:46:22 PM EST

This isn't really surprising... (none / 0)

There really aren't a lot of substantive divides on major issues between the Democratic candidates.  Not to mention, it's not like there's a zillion different options for a health care plan.  I would expect the plans to be fairly similar.

Also, usually the candidate(s) with the most specific plans lose the primary, so there's thought to be a built-in disadvantage.  Bill Bradley comes to mind...


by rashomon on Tue May 29, 2007 at 02:01:42 PM EST

In a follow-up comment... (none / 0)

Each candidate will be stealing the best lines and ideas as the primary goes along.  Or don't you remember how every candidate in Nov-Dec 2003 sounded suspiciously like Howard Dean (other than Joe Lieberman).


by rashomon on Tue May 29, 2007 at 02:04:08 PM EST
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Re: This isn't really surprising... (none / 0)

Perhaps, but if Bill Bradley had endorsed a vague plan, he would have been attacked for that, too.


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by clarkent on Tue May 29, 2007 at 02:14:52 PM EST
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Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (none / 0)

Ezra Klein has a take on it.


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by clarkent on Tue May 29, 2007 at 02:01:56 PM EST

Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (none / 0)

Ezra Klein has some answers to his earlier questions.


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by clarkent on Tue May 29, 2007 at 03:27:03 PM EST
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Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (none / 0)

So... under Obama's plan everyone wouldn't have coverage?


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by jallen on Tue May 29, 2007 at 02:16:00 PM EST

Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (3.00 / 1)

No, it's "possible universal", not 100% universal. There's no mandate for adults, which likely means a lot of the young and healthy will opt out for a junk insurance plan.


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by clarkent on Tue May 29, 2007 at 02:19:53 PM EST
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Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (none / 0)

It'll be interesting to see if commenters like yitbos96bb will have the same take on this as they did on the Edwards plan.


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by clarkent on Tue May 29, 2007 at 02:39:49 PM EST

Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (3.00 / 1)

Even if there were some kind of prize for having exclusivity on an idea on how to fix health care, wouldn't it be best if good ideas were implemented, no matter who it is that reaches the finish line first?

Aside from that, Obama's plan is the most realistic thus far, which may prompt some to say it isn't good enough. I would argue though that if someone can push a better plan through Congress while Obama is President, do you really think he won't sign it if it reaches his desk? Lets not get too crazy with this...of course I may be overlooking who I'm responding to.


by mihan on Tue May 29, 2007 at 02:45:45 PM EST

Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (none / 0)

Exactly,

I have maintained and still maintain, that while all the candidates will be talking about the same things, Barack Obama is the only one I trust to actually keep the promises he is making. It's about trust.


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by ObamaEdwards2008 on Tue May 29, 2007 at 04:24:06 PM EST
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Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (none / 0)

Here's a pdf the campaign released now

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/HealthPla nFull.pdf

I've got to go now but I'm going to print it out and study it and give my thoughts later.


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by Populista on Tue May 29, 2007 at 03:02:21 PM EST

Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (none / 0)

Thank you. I think it's funny how everyone has such a strong opinion about a plan they haven't bothered to read yet. It's so not like John Edwards Plan at all. I actually read it.


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by ObamaEdwards2008 on Tue May 29, 2007 at 03:45:12 PM EST
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Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (none / 0)

I don't have a strong opinion. I just gave a quick synopsis based on reading the Fact Sheet. Maybe if you want to actually show how great it is you could write a diary on it?


by adamterando on Tue May 29, 2007 at 04:00:50 PM EST
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Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (3.00 / 1)

Given comments on a Politico article made by someone knows as 'AdamT', it might appear that you really do have a strong opinion on the subject, and you are simply masquerading as being open here, for whatever reason.

"Obama, by contrast, focuses on removing barriers to access and subsidizing care for those who can't afford it. " Edwards does this also in that those that can't afford the mandate are subsidized. It's the same thing, except that Edwards gets at universal coverage by making sure everyone is covered. Obama I guess will leave it up to individuals to get themselves covered.  

Posted By: AdamT | May 29, 2007 at 12:08 PM    


by mihan on Tue May 29, 2007 at 04:07:02 PM EST
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huh? (none / 0)

Yeah, that's really nasty.


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by clarkent on Tue May 29, 2007 at 04:13:39 PM EST
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Re: huh? (none / 0)

I didn't say it was really nasty...I said that he obviously had strong opinions on the subject, especially given his guise of openness here, while he's leaving comments elsewhere that would suggest otherwise. Nothing wrong with that if hypocrisy doesn't bother you.


by mihan on Tue May 29, 2007 at 04:30:15 PM EST
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Re: huh? (none / 0)

Well you're wrong. I didn't at the time. I do feel pretty negatively now after reading the various posts by Ezra Klein.

I just don't get how you get from that sentence just factually correcting something the politico said about Edwards plan as saying that I had strong opinions about Obama's plan.

Thanks for calling me a hypocrite though.


by adamterando on Tue May 29, 2007 at 04:34:13 PM EST
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Re: huh? (1.75 / 4)

Thanks for calling me a hypocrite though.

Yeah, no problem, just keep up the good work.

This must really bother you, huh? Don't like having your integrity questioned, I gather. Well, between that and your poor level of commons sense, you should get used to it, bud.


by mihan on Tue May 29, 2007 at 04:36:09 PM EST
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Re: huh? (none / 0)

You're really funny. You're almost up to the level of a 15 year old. Keep trying maybe you'll get there someday.


by adamterando on Tue May 29, 2007 at 04:42:10 PM EST
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Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (none / 0)

HAhahahah

Are you kidding me? That's a strong opinion? Get a grip man.


by adamterando on Tue May 29, 2007 at 04:19:37 PM EST
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Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (1.00 / 1)

it really bothered you enough for you to reply to me three times? What you say isn't wrong but I just think the difference is perspective...that's all. Nothing wrong with that. The fact that you're being an ass about it? That's unfortunate but its more your problem than mine.


by mihan on Tue May 29, 2007 at 04:33:17 PM EST
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Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (none / 0)

No it didn't bother me. It was just funny and I was genuinely perplexed as to why you thought that was a strong opinion about Obama's plan.

Don't you think maybe you're a tad prejudiced against thinking I can be neutral about anything Obama does. Perhaps you have a strong opinion on how neutral I can be about something so that even when I truly don't have a strong opinion and am writing a sentence which isn't saying anything bad about Obama, you are more prone to read something into that isn't really there? Could that be a possibility?


by adamterando on Tue May 29, 2007 at 04:38:11 PM EST
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Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (3.00 / 1)

And yeah I'm "masquerading" as being open so as to lure unsuspecting Obama supporters into my diary lair so that I can then proceed to devour them with my violent and cutting logic.

You're being quite silly.


by adamterando on Tue May 29, 2007 at 04:22:46 PM EST
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Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (none / 0)

Also, was there something factually wrong with what I said at the politico?


by adamterando on Tue May 29, 2007 at 04:23:57 PM EST
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Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (3.00 / 1)

Ah Ha!

Thanks for this. Now I know not to take this diary seriously. Politico, huh? Interesting. I thought we all banned that website after it was discovered they were a right wing blog. In any event, it's good to know what type of person is behind the diary. I won't waste any more time commenting.


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by ObamaEdwards2008 on Tue May 29, 2007 at 04:57:08 PM EST
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Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (none / 0)

Can you tell me how that was a strong opinion on Obama's plan or anything different than what I wrote in this diary?


by adamterando on Tue May 29, 2007 at 05:03:24 PM EST
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Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (3.00 / 1)

Edwards has a really great statement on simply talking about access to health care:

"We have to stop using words like 'access to health care' when we know with certainty those words mean something less than universal care. Who are you willing to leave behind without the care he needs? Which family? Which child? We need a truly universal solution, and we need it now."
- John Edwards


by Quinton on Wed May 30, 2007 at 02:49:02 AM EST
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Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (none / 0)

Here's another perspective to which I concur.

http://www.democrats.org/page/community/ post/deeannaroberts/CqJP


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by ObamaEdwards2008 on Tue May 29, 2007 at 04:49:01 PM EST
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So, you didn't even link to the pdf file (3.00 / 1)

in your original diary post (since the pdf lnk given by the poster has a time stamp 3 hrs after the diary's timestamp)? If so, that establishes that you flew in here with the hit piece before even having (or reading) what constitues Obama's plan.

Please have some respect for the process, and pull your diary down. Let Obama have his day today.


by NuevoLiberal on Tue May 29, 2007 at 05:26:33 PM EST
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Re: So, you didn't even link to the pdf file (3.00 / 1)

You guys are hilarious.

I went to work nuevo. Sorry I didn't update the link to the full pdf. So what's the major differences between the summary and the main pdf? So Obama purposefully tried to obfuscate in the summar pdf and decided to put the real parts of the plan in the 15 page pdf? Can you guys get a grip already? You're taking this way to seriously. I like Obama, I think he'd be a great president. I just happen to support Edwards. I'm not trying to bring Obama's campaign down in flames. I was just hoping someone on this ostensibly wonky blog would provide a wonky write-up of the plan since it's a pretty big deal that Obama has released his plan and I hadn't seen anyone write anything about it yet. And you guys still have given a decent write-up to it and instead direct all your energy to attacking me.

The silly season is definitely upon us.


by adamterando on Tue May 29, 2007 at 11:43:42 PM EST
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Re: So, you didn't even link to the pdf file (none / 0)

Adam, I don't think you're a bad guy. I have no reason to think so, based on the limited exchange we've had (eventhough you've opined negatively about me in some past comments).

However, you just did a bad job by posting a 4 line "diary" critiquing a candidate you don't support, before the full plan was even released, before anyone had a chance to read anything. If you did a proper and fair critique of Obama's plan, I would not have criticized you or your tactics. With the several updates you've posted, the diary is not a bit better than it originall was.

To add insult to injury, several Edwards promoters have now piled on "1" ratings on me (ManfromMiddletown, Quinton, Rooktoven, clarkent, okamichan13), in what is a pure ratings abuse:
http://www.mydd.com/comments/2007/5/29/1 95036/398/4?mode=alone;showrate=1#4
http://www.mydd.com/comments/2007/5/29/1 95036/398/11?mode=alone;showrate=1#11
http://www.mydd.com/comments/2007/5/29/1 95036/398/16?mode=alone;showrate=1#16
http://www.mydd.com/comments/2007/5/29/2 05122/141/1?mode=alone;showrate=1#1


by NuevoLiberal on Wed May 30, 2007 at 04:16:36 AM EST
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correction: I meant to say: (none / 0)

With the several updates you've posted, the diary is not now a bit better than it originally was.


by NuevoLiberal on Wed May 30, 2007 at 07:20:23 AM EST
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Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (none / 0)

And I've read both pdfs now. Now how is this sooooo different except for the differences I already mentioned?


by adamterando on Tue May 29, 2007 at 04:05:25 PM EST
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Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (none / 0)

You're full of it...was there any chance that you'd have any other reaction at all? We know who you are supporting...is your constant bellyaching about Obama really necessary?


by mihan on Tue May 29, 2007 at 04:08:30 PM EST
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Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (none / 0)

Yep, there sure is. I thought the national insurance exchange was going to be very similar to the regional health markets that would give individuals the same market power as big corporations and would regulate the insurance industry like it should be.

Man are you touchy. Seriously, switch to decaf or something.


by adamterando on Tue May 29, 2007 at 04:20:55 PM EST
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Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (2.00 / 2)

what a hit piece on Obama...Umbelievable..The dude didnt even read the plan before he posted this anti-obama B.S....Also, is it fair to suggest this guy supports Edwards?..Hillary??..anyone??..hahahahah aha..Those haters.


by JaeHood on Wed May 30, 2007 at 04:43:39 AM EST

Re: Obama releases his health care plan. (none / 0)

What are you, 12?


by adamterando on Wed May 30, 2007 at 01:53:10 PM EST
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oh come on... (none / 0)

she was working on UHC before Edwards or Obama were even in the Senate.

And Edwards' plans are all original? give me a break.


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Wed May 30, 2007 at 09:33:57 AM EST


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